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		<title>By: Good to Great&#8230; to Gone! &#124; TomorrowToday&#039;s New World of Work Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.n2growth.com/blog/rethinking-good-to-great/comment-page-1/#comment-32651</link>
		<dc:creator>Good to Great&#8230; to Gone! &#124; TomorrowToday&#039;s New World of Work Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 08:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andrew Cross</title>
		<link>http://www.n2growth.com/blog/rethinking-good-to-great/comment-page-1/#comment-31876</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The problem with Good To Great is that the reader is left with the false impression that the principles contained in the book can be universally transferred to their individual situation without regard for context.&quot;. Amen!

I&#039;m currently reading Good To Great for the first time and while I agree that some points of his are valid, especially the hedgehog concept, it&#039;s a bit much to generalize that it&#039;s applicable for everyone. As a hi-tech entrepreneur, I NEED to be a visionary leader, which probably disqualifies me from level 5 leadership. Also, if I can&#039;t pivot and change direction on a dime, my company will probably fail.

Well written and ballsy, nicely done. 

Andrew Cross
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The problem with Good To Great is that the reader is left with the false impression that the principles contained in the book can be universally transferred to their individual situation without regard for context.&#8221;. Amen!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently reading Good To Great for the first time and while I agree that some points of his are valid, especially the hedgehog concept, it&#8217;s a bit much to generalize that it&#8217;s applicable for everyone. As a hi-tech entrepreneur, I NEED to be a visionary leader, which probably disqualifies me from level 5 leadership. Also, if I can&#8217;t pivot and change direction on a dime, my company will probably fail.</p>
<p>Well written and ballsy, nicely done. </p>
<p>Andrew Cross<br />
<a href="http://andrewcross.ca" rel="nofollow">http://andrewcross.ca</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Ziemski, M.Ed.</title>
		<link>http://www.n2growth.com/blog/rethinking-good-to-great/comment-page-1/#comment-31843</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Ziemski, M.Ed.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 06:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like all things, I believe that every work is a great start.  If every book that came out presented the be all and end all solution, there would be no need for any other strategy to be crafted or book to be published.  Successful works such as G2G serve to inspire, and, to the educated person, should raise some flags.

I am a great fan of the Hedgehog Concept, in that there are always at least three elements that work together to provide a framework for a particular outcome.  More recently, Simon Sinek penned a significant contribution to the literature titled &quot;Start With Why,&quot; which says we&#039;ve been looking at things all wrong when we start with mission statements that describe &quot;What&quot; we are, and focuses on the three stage of &quot;Why,&quot; &quot;How,&quot; then &quot;What&quot; for organizational success.

I hold to a philosophy that 3 leads to 4 leads to 5, in that there are at least 5 elements that complete &quot;the system,&quot; and recently received validation of that theory by being introduced to Peter Senge&#039;s &quot;The Fifth Discipline.&quot;  The task is finding what that fourth and fifth element are.  Once they are found, there is an emergent principle that is the result of the successful interaction of the five elements.

If I ever publish something that provides concrete examples of such systems (such as earth, wind, and fire + water + gravity), I fully expect someone who reads it to say, &quot;Yes, but there is still something missing.&quot;  Of course there&#039;s something missing.  Everything in this life is imperfect.  Our challenge is to keep trying to bring whatever we&#039;re working with or working on as close to perfect as possible.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like all things, I believe that every work is a great start.  If every book that came out presented the be all and end all solution, there would be no need for any other strategy to be crafted or book to be published.  Successful works such as G2G serve to inspire, and, to the educated person, should raise some flags.</p>
<p>I am a great fan of the Hedgehog Concept, in that there are always at least three elements that work together to provide a framework for a particular outcome.  More recently, Simon Sinek penned a significant contribution to the literature titled &#8220;Start With Why,&#8221; which says we&#8217;ve been looking at things all wrong when we start with mission statements that describe &#8220;What&#8221; we are, and focuses on the three stage of &#8220;Why,&#8221; &#8220;How,&#8221; then &#8220;What&#8221; for organizational success.</p>
<p>I hold to a philosophy that 3 leads to 4 leads to 5, in that there are at least 5 elements that complete &#8220;the system,&#8221; and recently received validation of that theory by being introduced to Peter Senge&#8217;s &#8220;The Fifth Discipline.&#8221;  The task is finding what that fourth and fifth element are.  Once they are found, there is an emergent principle that is the result of the successful interaction of the five elements.</p>
<p>If I ever publish something that provides concrete examples of such systems (such as earth, wind, and fire + water + gravity), I fully expect someone who reads it to say, &#8220;Yes, but there is still something missing.&#8221;  Of course there&#8217;s something missing.  Everything in this life is imperfect.  Our challenge is to keep trying to bring whatever we&#8217;re working with or working on as close to perfect as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Coert Visser</title>
		<link>http://www.n2growth.com/blog/rethinking-good-to-great/comment-page-1/#comment-31842</link>
		<dc:creator>Coert Visser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2011 06:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, There is one additional principle issue with respect to the study. That the concept &#039;great&#039; 
is operationalized in a financial way is easily understood from a practical 
standpoint. This criterion is clear and rather easily obtained and makes it easy 
to compare the companies scientifically. But is &#039;great&#039; the best word to 
describe spectacular financial success? Does their financial success necessarily 
make GTG&#039;s &#039;great&#039;? Wouldn&#039;t that be like saying that Bill Gates en Silvio 
Berlusconi are great people while implying Martin Luther King and Mother Theresa 
are not?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, There is one additional principle issue with respect to the study. That the concept &#8216;great&#8217;<br />
is operationalized in a financial way is easily understood from a practical<br />
standpoint. This criterion is clear and rather easily obtained and makes it easy<br />
to compare the companies scientifically. But is &#8216;great&#8217; the best word to<br />
describe spectacular financial success? Does their financial success necessarily<br />
make GTG&#8217;s &#8216;great&#8217;? Wouldn&#8217;t that be like saying that Bill Gates en Silvio<br />
Berlusconi are great people while implying Martin Luther King and Mother Theresa<br />
are not?<br />
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		<title>By: Mike Myatt</title>
		<link>http://www.n2growth.com/blog/rethinking-good-to-great/comment-page-1/#comment-31840</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Myatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 19:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Approved</description>
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		<title>By: Info</title>
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		<dc:creator>Info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See also &#039;The halo effect&#039; by Paul Rosenzweig. Jim Collins his research is completely flawed. Thanks for your article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See also &#8216;The halo effect&#8217; by Paul Rosenzweig. Jim Collins his research is completely flawed. Thanks for your article!</p>
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		<title>By: Tanveer Naseer</title>
		<link>http://www.n2growth.com/blog/rethinking-good-to-great/comment-page-1/#comment-31837</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanveer Naseer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,




When it comes to
research, it&#039;s important that we take into consideration the fact
that research is not free from politics or personal agendas.  Indeed,
it&#039;s fairly common for researchers to focus on developing studies that serve more to reinforce their own bias/perceptions of the material in question, if not to also ensure a
steady stream of grants and other forms of funding.  Just look at how
much contradictory information we get about what we should eat and
what we should avoid.

In this light, it&#039;s not surprising to see
Collins&#039; relying on data that serves to reinforce his model for
successful leadership.  That&#039;s why I agree with you that it&#039;s
important that we examine any research with a critical eye and place
it within a proper context to appreciate its real-world applications.




As for the reason why
Collins&#039; work remains such a sacred cow for many, one thought that
came to mind is how it provides its own form of &#039;safety in numbers&#039;. 
That is, trying to take uncertainty out of the equation in order to
make processes and the act of leading people more predictable and
safe.




Aside from the obvious
problems this creates, the other concern this should draw is how it
encourages leaders to lose their sense of curiosity, of questioning
whether yesterday&#039;s solutions still hold true for today&#039;s challenges.
 Perhaps in its own way, it&#039;s this form of circular logic which is
helping to build and reinforce people&#039;s perception of Collins&#039; work. 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>When it comes to<br />
research, it&#8217;s important that we take into consideration the fact<br />
that research is not free from politics or personal agendas.  Indeed,<br />
it&#8217;s fairly common for researchers to focus on developing studies that serve more to reinforce their own bias/perceptions of the material in question, if not to also ensure a<br />
steady stream of grants and other forms of funding.  Just look at how<br />
much contradictory information we get about what we should eat and<br />
what we should avoid.</p>
<p>In this light, it&#8217;s not surprising to see<br />
Collins&#8217; relying on data that serves to reinforce his model for<br />
successful leadership.  That&#8217;s why I agree with you that it&#8217;s<br />
important that we examine any research with a critical eye and place<br />
it within a proper context to appreciate its real-world applications.</p>
<p>As for the reason why<br />
Collins&#8217; work remains such a sacred cow for many, one thought that<br />
came to mind is how it provides its own form of &#8216;safety in numbers&#8217;.<br />
That is, trying to take uncertainty out of the equation in order to<br />
make processes and the act of leading people more predictable and<br />
safe.</p>
<p>Aside from the obvious<br />
problems this creates, the other concern this should draw is how it<br />
encourages leaders to lose their sense of curiosity, of questioning<br />
whether yesterday&#8217;s solutions still hold true for today&#8217;s challenges.<br />
 Perhaps in its own way, it&#8217;s this form of circular logic which is<br />
helping to build and reinforce people&#8217;s perception of Collins&#8217; work.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Myatt</title>
		<link>http://www.n2growth.com/blog/rethinking-good-to-great/comment-page-1/#comment-31836</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Myatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 14:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Matthew:

Thanks for your comment and your insights. I think you&#039;ll find that many successful leaders don&#039;t fall so neatly into the Level 5 box. Both Jobs and Gates have displayed a bit of hubris over the years, and I would say that particularly in the case of Jobs, he is a classic definition of a charismatic leader, who by the way, has also used radical change to his advantage. Thanks for stopping by Matthew. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matthew:</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment and your insights. I think you&#8217;ll find that many successful leaders don&#8217;t fall so neatly into the Level 5 box. Both Jobs and Gates have displayed a bit of hubris over the years, and I would say that particularly in the case of Jobs, he is a classic definition of a charismatic leader, who by the way, has also used radical change to his advantage. Thanks for stopping by Matthew.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I think it&#039;s good to challenge especially what has become for many CEO&#039;s the &quot;Bible&quot;. 

Whilst I agree with you that many CEO&#039;s can be effective at a certain level, my belief is that there really needs to be a very special kind of CEO to make the organisation great.

I&#039;ve not applied the tests in Collins&#039; book to Steve Jobs or Bill Gates, but I&#039;d be interested to know how they compare. Because on the face of it both leaders have been phenomenally successful, but only one of them is widely heralded as &quot;God&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I think it&#8217;s good to challenge especially what has become for many CEO&#8217;s the &#8220;Bible&#8221;. </p>
<p>Whilst I agree with you that many CEO&#8217;s can be effective at a certain level, my belief is that there really needs to be a very special kind of CEO to make the organisation great.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not applied the tests in Collins&#8217; book to Steve Jobs or Bill Gates, but I&#8217;d be interested to know how they compare. Because on the face of it both leaders have been phenomenally successful, but only one of them is widely heralded as &#8220;God&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Wally Bock</title>
		<link>http://www.n2growth.com/blog/rethinking-good-to-great/comment-page-1/#comment-31834</link>
		<dc:creator>Wally Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Thanks for another thought-provoking post. I&#039;m a little late
to the comment party, so I&#039;ll try not to repeat too much. For me the key
takeaway from a post like this is that there is no magic technique that will
magically transform your business. You have to look at what&#039;s out there, take
what seems to work, adapt it to your system, and try it. 


 


The critiques of the research are valid. I was much more
comfortable with the approach of Tom Peters and Bob Waterman who presented
their book as, &quot;here&#039;s what we&#039;ve observed and here&#039;s how we&#039;ve made sense
of it&quot; than I am with Collins&#039; &quot;this is what research shows.&quot;


 


I also had problems with Collins&#039; tendency to present
individual situations as universal truths. He presents Jim Stockdale&#039;s opinion
as if it represented the practice of all POWs for example. 


 


To expand Rod&#039;s point, I think the main value in books like
this is often their inspirational quality. Good to Great has energized a lot of
people who&#039;ve then used the book as a starting point for trying things in their
own organization. 


 


I have to add an observation about the &quot;Level 5
Leader.&quot; My take is that it was a concept bolted on to the book to sell
consulting services and other products. 


 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for another thought-provoking post. I&#8217;m a little late<br />
to the comment party, so I&#8217;ll try not to repeat too much. For me the key<br />
takeaway from a post like this is that there is no magic technique that will<br />
magically transform your business. You have to look at what&#8217;s out there, take<br />
what seems to work, adapt it to your system, and try it. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>The critiques of the research are valid. I was much more<br />
comfortable with the approach of Tom Peters and Bob Waterman who presented<br />
their book as, &#8220;here&#8217;s what we&#8217;ve observed and here&#8217;s how we&#8217;ve made sense<br />
of it&#8221; than I am with Collins&#8217; &#8220;this is what research shows.&#8221;</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I also had problems with Collins&#8217; tendency to present<br />
individual situations as universal truths. He presents Jim Stockdale&#8217;s opinion<br />
as if it represented the practice of all POWs for example. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>To expand Rod&#8217;s point, I think the main value in books like<br />
this is often their inspirational quality. Good to Great has energized a lot of<br />
people who&#8217;ve then used the book as a starting point for trying things in their<br />
own organization. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>I have to add an observation about the &#8220;Level 5<br />
Leader.&#8221; My take is that it was a concept bolted on to the book to sell<br />
consulting services and other products. </p>
<p> </p>
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